As a woman in her *ahem* mid-thirties, who has not known life as anything but fat since she was 11 years old, I've been fighting this particular battle for some time.
You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. To many people, if you're fat, you do not deserve to be alive. Or if you must be alive, just sit at home eating yourself to an early death and don't dare be seen by anyone who isn't fat. Cos that's all that fat people do right, sit around and eat?
I used to be an advocate for buying Australian. But then I went to the US and boy was it an eye-opener. Plus size stores that are in every single shopping centre. That hire plus sized staff. That have a HUGE variety of clothing, from the knickers outwards, including shoes and accessories made to fit plus sized feet, arms, necks, calves etc. Customers are treated with respect and dignity. And the clothes are not ugly and unfashionable.
When an Australian store can do that for me, at a reasonable price, I will gladly shop there. Until then, I know my size and what suits me from ranges like Lane Bryant and Torrid, so that's where I will shop.
Natalie
· 7 months ago
I think it's high time that Australian fat people started becoming more vocal - I see how the Fat Acceptance and HAES movements are gaining ground with every day in the US, and it makes me believe that I can help bring the ground swell down here too! I guess that's one of the motivations for blogging about this subject here.
I'm so with you - I'd love to buy Australian, but there's nothing. The dreamer in me has always longed to start a plus sized fashion house here!
Cameron Reilly
· 7 months ago
I smell a great business opportunity here Nat. I'd love to help. We should talk. DM or email me if you're interested.
Kate
· 7 months ago
Great post, and so spot on!
I am also trying to kick my butt into gear and start being more active (walking/jogging etc) and tried finding DECENT clothes to wear. But found nothing. Unless I felt the need to squish my butt into a pair of running shorts which are shorter than the average pair of undies, mind you!
And forget about buying a bra to run in. God, I need to wear a sports bra then a tank top over that (2 sizes too small so it hold everything in place). Ridiculous!
Until someone in Australia finally realises there is a market for this kind of clothing, I, too, have resigned to buying online from overseas.
Natalie
· 7 months ago
Oh I've been smelling opportunity for a few years but haven't known how to take advantage of it! I'll get in contact :)
Natalie
· 7 months ago
The bra situation is really worrying me actually - I'm blessed with the bust and cursed with the back pain!
Sonya
· 7 months ago
I'm pretty sure Bonds at Myer do some activewear for plus sizes. Atm, I think there's tshirts, trackies and hoodies. But that is literally the only one I can think of. There should be more. I smell opportunity!
drjon
· 7 months ago
Oooo, cupcake!
(Interesting article in The Australian today, btw.)
Natalie
· 7 months ago
The cupcake wasn't for any kind of consumption, rather one of Kate's fossilised props :P
I just scoured The Australian's site and found the "Off the scale" article! The last two paragraphs are heartening :D
It would be awesome if Bonds extended that to bike shorts, and general short type things too! I have one of the hoodies though, and the quality isn't the great - the bottom is all stretched out and it shrunk in the wash, so it's huge and too short for me... loller!
Bec
· 7 months ago
You wanna know something stupid? I've been putting off exercising because my exercise pants are too small. I know!
I did actually manage to get pants to fit from Big W and Kmart - it's rare but some days you'll be lucky.
Natalie
· 7 months ago
It's not stupid, it's a pretty valid and frustrating barrier to getting out there and moving around!
Today I actually found some men's Spalding 2xl tights in Target completely by accident!! They are ankle length, but there was also thigh length sorts too!
Kate
· 7 months ago
Some girls I used to work with told me about a place in the Valley (You're in Brissie right?) called 'Big Girls Don't Cry' that sells bras for us chestily-gifted individuals. No idea if they do sports bra's though, but they are supposed to have really good normal bras. A tad pricey, but I get that with any bra I buy, as I am not a K-mart Bonds 12A....
I am planning on checking Big Girls Don't Cry out as soon as funds allow. Their website is: http://www.biggirls.com.au/
Natalie
· 7 months ago
I have been to BGDC and I wasn't really impressed with the service or the selection. I am so fussy :P
The bras for cup sizes F + were at least $40 extra, and the attendant, erm, attending to me was rough and I think she didn't size me correctly as I came out of there with bras a cup bigger than my last fitting - they still ride up at the back and the wires dig under my arms!
All About Eve, which is in the city, is reportedly much better than BGDC. A friend of mine loved the service and her purchases! So I'm going to check them out next :D
Bec
· 7 months ago
Can't say I'm fussed on length, just so long as they stop the chaffing. lol
Kay
· 7 months ago
Target is where I've always gotten all my exercise gear. They may not look as funky as some of the standard varieties but they do the job which is what is most important right? They stock up to size 26...there is always plenty of 22-26 left on the racks. The ones that go first are the Plus size 16s (what I currently wear) because there never seems to be enough standard 18s on the rack....and while I'm at it, why is it that the Standard 18 is the same size as a Plus 16? Why are jeans and other full length pants designed for Amazon length women's legs?? I might be fat but that doesn't mean I've increased proportionately in height. WTF are they thinking?
Natalie
· 7 months ago
I was actually in Target today, and couldn't find tights in my size (22-24) in the women's plus size section (though they had a heap of tops... with no bottoms to coordinate with, ha!)
The funny thing about pant lengths is that they're always too short for me. Obviously they are getting things horribly, horribly wrong!!
lauren
· 7 months ago
I hear ya Natalie! I'm of the bustier persuasion shall we say and it's flat-out impossible to find a sports bra I actually like.
Well, that's untrue. I did find one I love but it became harder and harder to get one until I had to go to Brava Lingerie in Prahan. They had it but unfortunately at the full and freaken expensive price. It irritates me to no end that as soon as you creep over a c cup, bras double, triple in price. It's not like they're using that much more fabric.
My rant about price is not a condemnation of Brava (http://www.bravalingerie.com.au - might help you out in your quest for a decent sports bra and they do free shipping) but rather the manufacturers who think it's acceptable to rip off the women with big boobs. I've always wonder if they assume a person's IQ is somehow related to their bra size - the larger the boobs the stupider they must be. But that's my personal beef...
There are plenty of scientific studies out there that clearly say it's better to be overweight and fit then skinny and unfit. If you eat crap and don't exercise, you're going to be unhealthy, even if you are as skinny as a rake. I've seen some mightly unfit skinny people at my gym. The worse one was a girl who was so thin if she stood sideways next a to pole she would've disappeared. She got on the bike next to me and started peddling. Her heart rate shot up to 180 in about five minute and she wasn't even working that hard! At first I thought her bike's computer had gone a little crazy (as they're wont to do) but it stayed over 180 until she started to slow down. If it'd be me, I would've stopped because 180 beats per minute is not healthy and I would've been worried I was about to have a heart attack.
Everyone should strive to be as healthy as they can with what they've got. It's just unfortunate we seem to be living in a society that's obsessed with how we appear.
Kay
· 7 months ago
I never never wear tights so didn't look for those but they had crop and full length pants...and when I say full length I mean for the Amazon women in the crowd with really long legs. I just where the cropped ones - they end up being full length on me!
Eddwina
· 7 months ago
Hi Natalie, relly like your blog. Started reding it a few weeks ago and love your positive attitude.
This OZ company does fitness wear up to size 26...
Good luck with the PT, I'm doing it too at the moment and I love it!
Kath
· 7 months ago
I didn't like BGDC either. Their stock is HUGELY expensive (I couldn't believe how expensive!) and the women there treated me like I was some pitiable fat child to be chastised and shoved into whatever THEY thought suitable for me. Not as a valued customer who had the intelligence and style to choose for herself.
I now buy my bras from Lane Bryant, get them sent to a girlfriend in California (free shipping) and then she mails them to me.
I will have a look at All About Eve though.
sharnee
· 7 months ago
oh well said! may I add that it's almost impossible to find maternity clothes/nursing bras in plus sizes and even Myer - my usual spot for clothes buying - couldn't help as their maternity stuff was for sizes 8-16. Luckily I found some awesome nursing bras at target (and with their 20% underwear sale they were only $14 each). so yeah... pregnancy plus sizes seem to be non existant. I kind of refuse to pay more than $50 for a bra because if I scounge around target/myer/kmart long enough then I can usually find something awesome for a lot less.
xx
theangryhedonist
· 7 months ago
hey babe, that is a beautiful picture. and worthy post.
SSBxoxo
· 7 months ago
Please, please... if you guys do do something - remember that even us fat girls have waists.
And, really? We hate beading and florals and you know what? Hiding under a tent just makes me bigger. Bring on the Spots and stripes and at least I can have fun in a circus tent!
(please don't throw things at me; followed @djackmanson over here - I'm all for fitness too, but still, I'll never be a tiny teeny!!)
Erin
· 7 months ago
I just wanted to say that I found both your posts and all the links that you provided to be very interesting. They were all impressive and it was gratifying to read your post. Like you, I think someone should be accepted at they are, regardless of their size.
cate swannell
· 7 months ago
well said natalie! i get abused for being fat on a semi-regular basis here on the image-obsessed gold coast. last time i walked up to the young male in question and asked him if i knew him, or if i had ever hurt him or his family. he pretty much said nothing as i pointed out that he had no business targeting me. confront and shame, that's my answer.
Natalie
· 7 months ago
That's amazing! I am so doing that next time.
Natalie
· 7 months ago
It makes me feel good to read that you think I'm positive! I have battled depression for a long time so I'm on the right track, horah!
That link is FABULOUS! I think I'm going to be dropping some dollars there soon!
Peggy
· 7 months ago
Hi:
I just wanted to let you know about LILA+. www.lilaplus.com. We are dedicated to providing workout wear and active wear for plus size women. That is all we sell. Everything from running, cycling, tennis, yoga, golf, swim, equestrian, hiking and more. Please take a look at our site and let me know how we can improve to be your go-to-shop for plus size active wear. We too believe in health at any size.
Zoe
· 7 months ago
omg, all of this. I would love to have nice, attractive, well-fitting workout gear! One day...
Also, I loved All About Eve, but it should come with the caveat that they are aimed at small girls with big boobs - most of their range tops out at a size 16/38 back size. They do have some bigger stuff, but it all seemed to be black and beige, judging by the catalogue. I am fortunate enough to have a fairly small ribcage, so I got sized a 16F - if I'd been any bigger through the back, I probably would have been SOL.
Cate
· 7 months ago
I also have to nod to the mythical notion that us fat women must somehow always be tall and broad shouldered. Being 5 ft 3, my efforts at shopping are often twarted by the jump into tent style style for anyone over a size 16...
kylie
· 7 months ago
This is the first time I've read your blog and let me say - I love it! I have had the exact same thing happen to me. My fat offends you, but when I go to the gym that offends you even more?...what?? Well articulate and intelligent blog. As far as work out gear goes, I can't live without my bonds yoga pants... :) I go for plain tops, usually target. When working out I do sacrifice fuction over form, thou.
Molly
· 7 months ago
I second the vote for Target! Though, it is hard to find fattie sizes there, if I'm motivated enough to go weekly for awhile, I can usually catch them when what I need is in-stock. It's easier to find bottoms than tops, usually, and I'll often get the largest size they have in an exercise top from the "regular" section. Hell, the stuff is usually a cotton-spandex blend, so it's stretchy.
Finding GOOD sports bras can be difficult, and I've given up finding them at stores. I can only find what I need online. It's SO vital that we have good support as fat girls when we're working out! Heck, I dunno about you, but I could put someone's eye out with these things. ;)
You might try calling some local dance studios with adult programming, and say you're a plus-size adult in one of their classes, and ask if they can recommend a place to get dance clothing to wear to class. Odds are, they'll be able to tell you of any local places that might have what you need. I used to take dance, and the clothing I'd wear back then for class is pretty much what I wear now to the gym. :)
kate lightfoot
· 6 months ago
I gave up on exercise gear long, long ago. There's a dismal range of clothes for fatties. And most of the clothing makers seem to assume we all want to cover up every square inch.
I have great cleavage, I like deep V necks. But try finding them in a larger size - forgeddit.
I think I may start going to a tailor.
Natalie - if you and your mates start a clothing line, please let me know. It's actually the photo of you here (with the cute unmbrella) that first attracted me to your blog. It's so refreshing to see pretty clothes in larger sizes.
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As a woman in her *ahem* mid-thirties, who has not known life as anything but fat since she was 11 years old, I've been fighting this particular battle for some time.
You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. To many people, if you're fat, you do not deserve to be alive. Or if you must be alive, just sit at home eating yourself to an early death and don't dare be seen by anyone who isn't fat. Cos that's all that fat people do right, sit around and eat?
I used to be an advocate for buying Australian. But then I went to the US and boy was it an eye-opener. Plus size stores that are in every single shopping centre. That hire plus sized staff. That have a HUGE variety of clothing, from the knickers outwards, including shoes and accessories made to fit plus sized feet, arms, necks, calves etc. Customers are treated with respect and dignity. And the clothes are not ugly and unfashionable.
When an Australian store can do that for me, at a reasonable price, I will gladly shop there. Until then, I know my size and what suits me from ranges like Lane Bryant and Torrid, so that's where I will shop.
I'm so with you - I'd love to buy Australian, but there's nothing. The dreamer in me has always longed to start a plus sized fashion house here!
I am also trying to kick my butt into gear and start being more active (walking/jogging etc) and tried finding DECENT clothes to wear. But found nothing. Unless I felt the need to squish my butt into a pair of running shorts which are shorter than the average pair of undies, mind you!
And forget about buying a bra to run in. God, I need to wear a sports bra then a tank top over that (2 sizes too small so it hold everything in place). Ridiculous!
Until someone in Australia finally realises there is a market for this kind of clothing, I, too, have resigned to buying online from overseas.
(Interesting article in The Australian today, btw.)
I just scoured The Australian's site and found the "Off the scale" article! The last two paragraphs are heartening :D
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25...
I did actually manage to get pants to fit from Big W and Kmart - it's rare but some days you'll be lucky.
Today I actually found some men's Spalding 2xl tights in Target completely by accident!! They are ankle length, but there was also thigh length sorts too!
I am planning on checking Big Girls Don't Cry out as soon as funds allow. Their website is: http://www.biggirls.com.au/
The bras for cup sizes F + were at least $40 extra, and the attendant, erm, attending to me was rough and I think she didn't size me correctly as I came out of there with bras a cup bigger than my last fitting - they still ride up at the back and the wires dig under my arms!
All About Eve, which is in the city, is reportedly much better than BGDC. A friend of mine loved the service and her purchases! So I'm going to check them out next :D
The funny thing about pant lengths is that they're always too short for me. Obviously they are getting things horribly, horribly wrong!!
Well, that's untrue. I did find one I love but it became harder and harder to get one until I had to go to Brava Lingerie in Prahan. They had it but unfortunately at the full and freaken expensive price. It irritates me to no end that as soon as you creep over a c cup, bras double, triple in price. It's not like they're using that much more fabric.
My rant about price is not a condemnation of Brava (http://www.bravalingerie.com.au - might help you out in your quest for a decent sports bra and they do free shipping) but rather the manufacturers who think it's acceptable to rip off the women with big boobs. I've always wonder if they assume a person's IQ is somehow related to their bra size - the larger the boobs the stupider they must be. But that's my personal beef...
There are plenty of scientific studies out there that clearly say it's better to be overweight and fit then skinny and unfit. If you eat crap and don't exercise, you're going to be unhealthy, even if you are as skinny as a rake. I've seen some mightly unfit skinny people at my gym. The worse one was a girl who was so thin if she stood sideways next a to pole she would've disappeared. She got on the bike next to me and started peddling. Her heart rate shot up to 180 in about five minute and she wasn't even working that hard! At first I thought her bike's computer had gone a little crazy (as they're wont to do) but it stayed over 180 until she started to slow down. If it'd be me, I would've stopped because 180 beats per minute is not healthy and I would've been worried I was about to have a heart attack.
Everyone should strive to be as healthy as they can with what they've got. It's just unfortunate we seem to be living in a society that's obsessed with how we appear.
This OZ company does fitness wear up to size 26...
http://www.blastbodywear.com.au/index.php?cPath=16
Good luck with the PT, I'm doing it too at the moment and I love it!
I now buy my bras from Lane Bryant, get them sent to a girlfriend in California (free shipping) and then she mails them to me.
I will have a look at All About Eve though.
may I add that it's almost impossible to find maternity clothes/nursing bras in plus sizes and even Myer - my usual spot for clothes buying - couldn't help as their maternity stuff was for sizes 8-16. Luckily I found some awesome nursing bras at target (and with their 20% underwear sale they were only $14 each). so yeah... pregnancy plus sizes seem to be non existant. I kind of refuse to pay more than $50 for a bra because if I scounge around target/myer/kmart long enough then I can usually find something awesome for a lot less.
xx
And, really? We hate beading and florals and you know what? Hiding under a tent just makes me bigger. Bring on the Spots and stripes and at least I can have fun in a circus tent!
(please don't throw things at me; followed @djackmanson over here - I'm all for fitness too, but still, I'll never be a tiny teeny!!)
That link is FABULOUS! I think I'm going to be dropping some dollars there soon!
I just wanted to let you know about LILA+. www.lilaplus.com. We are dedicated to providing workout wear and active wear for plus size women. That is all we sell. Everything from running, cycling, tennis, yoga, golf, swim, equestrian, hiking and more. Please take a look at our site and let me know how we can improve to be your go-to-shop for plus size active wear. We too believe in health at any size.
Also, I loved All About Eve, but it should come with the caveat that they are aimed at small girls with big boobs - most of their range tops out at a size 16/38 back size. They do have some bigger stuff, but it all seemed to be black and beige, judging by the catalogue. I am fortunate enough to have a fairly small ribcage, so I got sized a 16F - if I'd been any bigger through the back, I probably would have been SOL.
Finding GOOD sports bras can be difficult, and I've given up finding them at stores. I can only find what I need online. It's SO vital that we have good support as fat girls when we're working out! Heck, I dunno about you, but I could put someone's eye out with these things. ;)
That said, Danskin (http://www.danskin.com/plus.html) is my go-to store for sports bras, and a lot of my work-out clothing.
You might try calling some local dance studios with adult programming, and say you're a plus-size adult in one of their classes, and ask if they can recommend a place to get dance clothing to wear to class. Odds are, they'll be able to tell you of any local places that might have what you need. I used to take dance, and the clothing I'd wear back then for class is pretty much what I wear now to the gym. :)
I have great cleavage, I like deep V necks. But try finding them in a larger size - forgeddit.
I think I may start going to a tailor.
Natalie - if you and your mates start a clothing line, please let me know. It's actually the photo of you here (with the cute unmbrella) that first attracted me to your blog. It's so refreshing to see pretty clothes in larger sizes.
xxx kate